denis bider

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Israel should move to West Australia

Posted Nov 20, 2009 at 23:55 by denisbider

Last edited Nov 21, 2009 at 00:13 by denisbider

hypocrisy Middle East politics religion terrorism

I've said it before: Israel is a historic mistake, and their religious zealotry is no better than the zealotry of the Muslims.

Israel should get a taste of their own medicine, and be moved to West Australia. They've built a country out of the desert once before; they can do it once again. Except this time, the land should be properly purchased; the borders should be well defined; and there will be no "holy" land to fight about, and no angry, disenfranchised neighbors.

Then everyone, whether Jewish, Christian or Muslim, can get on with their lives, let this mess be over with, and continue to live in peace.

But that would be no "fun" then, would it?

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Comment on Jun 28, 2012 at 18:15 by Anonymous

The Jewish religion is much better than the Muslim religion!
Judaism honors the life, the others, democracy, the woman! Islam not! Jews will not leave Israel even for one trillion dollars every Jew The whole history of the Jews is the land of Israel! Jews believe that Israel is their and archaeological findings prove that.. A lot of Jewish laws can be observed only in Israel. Prayers, festivals are held according to the weather, sun and moon in Israel!
You are talking nonsense and does not respect the Jewish faith.

Comment on Jun 29, 2012 at 14:59 by denisbider

Here we go. I published your comment just to show how insane religious people are.

Quote: Judaism honors the life, the others, democracy, the woman!

Arguing that the Jewish religion is less insane than Islam is to ignore that Judaism, Islam, and Christianity are all insane.

Respect for women is a poor argument in favor of Judaism, when extremist Jews want to do the same thing as Muslims:

Thousands in Israel protest against Jewish extremists

You should explain to Palestinians how the Jewish faith honors "the life, the others, democracy". I'm sure then they will understand that when Israel destroys their property, kills their people, and denies them the right to a country, it only does this for their good.

Quote: The whole history of the Jews is the land of Israel! Jews believe that Israel is their and archaeological findings prove that. A lot of Jewish laws can be observed only in Israel.

The fact that your religion is tied down to a piece of land, and that this happens to be the same piece of land that Islam is tied to, is irrational and leads to war.

Quote: You are talking nonsense and does not respect the Jewish faith.

I can have zero respect for irrational beliefs that lead to war.

However, I would be fully supportive of people like you taking your religious passion to the front line, and battling it out with similar extremists on the Muslim side.

Hopefully, none of the extremists on either side would return.

Comment on Jun 29, 2012 at 15:30 by Anonymous

Listen I'm not going to read your response but I'll just tell you something..
I'm not a cleric, I am a Zionist
Jews are fighting the Palestinians to exist.
You do not understand the situation in Israel and I'll bet you've never been here.
And give you another reason why not to live in Australia! Australia is a state of shit and not suitable for Jews for many reasons and the Jews will not change their opinion just because you say..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEzvhvOcWEs

Comment on Jun 29, 2012 at 15:40 by Anonymous

Watch this! It might change the nonsense you know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1dvwgjDAT8

Comment on Jun 30, 2012 at 08:02 by denisbider

You need to realize that starting your reply by saying you aren't going to read mine is worthy of a good chuckle, and a very silly thing to do to undermine your credibility. Who's going to care about what you think if you don't care to read what you're replying to? :)

You linked to two videos by Dennis Prager, who is himself Jewish, and presents a one-sided defense of Israel. He pounds home how Arabs hate Israel, but neglects to mention:

- The dubious justifications for the founding the State of Israel, against the will of all of its neighbors, where it was founded after WWII.

A Jewish state could have been founded anywhere; why do it in the midst of neighbors who oppose?

Because Jewish religion, that's why. But that reason is irrational.

- The vicious cycle of violence that arose in Palestine, where neither Palestinians nor Israel can continue to claim the moral higher ground. Both sides have committed atrocities. Both sides have acted detrimentally, in opposition to a peaceful resolution. Both sides are guilty of perpetuating the conflict.

The video about Israel not being an apartheid is further disingenuous. Prager straight out admits that Palestinians in the West Bank have approximately zero rights and restricted movement. Then, he justifies that by comparing Israel vs. West Bank to US vs. Mexico.

This is almost straight out lying. That would be a valid comparison only if Palestine was a free independent state, which it is not, entirely because of Israel's opposition.

Further, the comparison would require Israel to respect the boundary and not make incursions into Palestinian territory - which it does, on a regular basis, both to chase terrorists (which ends up killing civilians), and to demolish Palestinians' property and create settlements for Jews.

Prager is at best misleading and at worst a straight out liar making claims that are very easily proved false.